found one rub about the size of a pencil and was kinda dried up so i'd say it was a couple weeks old ,but now yesterday i found a rub on the other side of the creek and man,the tree was round as a coffee can,and saplings to the left and to the right far out as 12" were scratched up too and they were done by other tips on the main beam.. a good one ,no doubt..hpe the trailcam gets a couple pics