I shot them last year and they worked real well. Shot a doe at 42yds. heart shot and she made it 45yds. not even and piled up...I followed a 3 foot wide blood trail to her. The only thing I did not like about them was the lack of penetration I just punched through the opposite side...so I will be using Magnus Buzzcuts this year and they are devestating. Good luck this fall im sure if you put them in the pump station you will not be dissapointed...just stay away from the shoulder.